I was just reading a post and wanted to also put my comments here....

here is the topic on channel 9

http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Windows-8-news-Ive-been-waiting-for#ce10095df6dea4327898b9f500177f70e

 

32 minutes ago, KDawg wrote

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Vesuvius, if you allow me to play devil's advocate. Here's is Fake Steve Sinofsky talking:

<fakeSteve>

Now some have said, what about everyone who invested in WPF/Silverlight apps? My response is, well, what have you done? Name a handful of interesting WPF apps. Name a handful of Silverlight apps of interest. I can name one, Netflix. For all the talk of a great dev experience the iPhone and iPad have eaten our dev ecosystem. The apps people want today are written in HTML/JS and Objective-C.

The current crop of developers on the MS platform are the best enterprise devs in the world. We'll continue to support them with our current tooling. But really our dev ecosystem hasn't churned out high quality apps. You can say that maybe what we're doing here isn't the right thing, but neither is continuing what we were doing, but hoping for different results. Our app ecosystem speaks for itself. It's shoddy.

</fakeSteve>

I'm a WPF/SL dev by day myself. I'm probably one of the few people that learned WPF before HTML/JS. But I've actually found HTML/JS pretty simple. Layout is a pain, but hopefully flexbox and grids will fix that. All in all, I don't mind writing HTML/JS. And JS compilers seem to be progressing a lot faster than the CLR JIT.

I like part of what you just said:

1) microsoft has failed to provide *GOOD* application guidelines on style and UI

2) microsoft has failed to enforce *QUALITY* in the applications, device drivers and utility software that run on windows.

3) people do not care how the app was written, they care that it works, that it's easy to use and nice to look at. by failing at items 1 and 2 microsoft has failed at getting many users to *WANT* more microsoft software.

honestly if they do not deal with 1,2,3 then it does not matter at all what they push at developers next.

Hey DEVELOPERS:   fix your programs!  even if microsoft publishes good style guides and trys to check apps it starts with us!

Windows 8, Build, HTML .... a *LOT* of developers are asking questions and trying to find out what the heck MSFT is up to.  It's interesting because they (Microsoft) have the problem of needing to make changes and yet making changes may also backfire and that could really hurt.

I for one have a lot of respect for the folks inside MSFT who have to deal with this...

I wonder if they should even keep the name "Windows" on the new OS ?  or should they have two different offers Windows 8 beeing the desktop and [INSERT NAME HERE] for the ARM Tablets they are looking to offer software for.

Some folks want MSFT to make the whole package, hardware and software. if MSFT did not have all of the OEM's to keep happy they might benefit from that but given the OEM's i can see a huge number of problems that could land MSFT in court over that idea.

I HOPE that they are making some good calls to make the new OS the great product i think i can be but untill BUILD who knows ?

Waiting to find out what they say....

First Post.

Just a marker to get started....